Episode 76 – Elena Pastore | Strengths-based Coach & Contractor

In this episode I chat with Elena Pastore, an aspiring strengths coach who has a passion for people development. Her current roles in marketing and business helps people understand their areas of strength and inhabit a growth mindset.

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Transcript

Murray Guest  00:01

Elena, welcome to the podcast. Look forward to chatting with you. It’s great getting to know you already, we’ve been having some good conversations. It is October 2020. How are you?

Elena Pastore  00:14

I’m doing pretty great. How are you?

Murray Guest  00:16

Yeah, I’m really good. I’m happy to say myself, my family are all healthy. COVID has obviously been on the conscious of everybody. I hope you’ve been healthy this year, and everyone in your life as well.

Elena Pastore  00:32

Yep. So far, we’re all doing well. So all good here.

Murray Guest  00:36

Good to hear. Good to hear. And what time is it for you? Because for me, it’s, you know, lunchtime here. What about yourself?

Elena Pastore  00:43

It’s 9pm here on the east coast of the US.

Murray Guest  00:48

Okay, so I’m normally heading to bed about nine o’clock, I get up at five. I hope that you’re okay for us to have this chat today.

Elena Pastore  00:56

Of course.

Murray Guest  00:58

So I was introduced to you through a fellow strengths coach. And I know that you’re passionate about strengths like Charlotte and myself are. Tell me what got you into this focus on strengths? How did that all come about?

Elena Pastore  01:14

Yeah, so when I was in my second year of college, I had to take Strengthsfinder as part of an assessment for a class I was in. And we all took the assessment and then had one person come in and talk to the class about a few different strengths, and you know, just a short spiel about them. And that was it. And, you know, as we all know, coaching doesn’t start and end with one presentation. It’s a continuous learning experience. So I was very intrigued by it, took it upon myself to learn more about my top five and learn more just about other strengths that interested me and and I’ve just always been engaging in opportunities to learn more about strengths and more about myself.

Murray Guest  02:02

And when you first got to know your top five, how did you feel when you saw those? Did they connect with you straightaway? Or did that take a bit of time?

Elena Pastore  02:13

Yeah, so it definitely wasn’t super intuitive as to what everything meant. So my number two is Woo. And I was like, what does that mean? Like, whoo, like, Yay?? How is that a strength, you know, and then I realized it stood for winning others over and read the description. I said, Okay, this makes sense. So, my top five are Includer, Woo, Connectedness, Belief and Responsibility, and especially Belief and Connectedness, which I think are a little bit more intangible, took me a little bit more time to really understand. But once I was able to sort of teach myself, ask others for help, I certainly do think they all resonate with me very well.

Murray Guest  02:57

Yeah. And how did they help you when you’re at college? So I know in the US in a number of colleges and universities, there’s a strong strengths based approach. How do they help you by unpacking this strengths based approach whilst you’re at college?

Elena Pastore  03:16

Yeah, so like I said, the class that I was in, we just had one presentation, and nothing more. So if you are interested in it, it was kind of up to you to do that. So I guess, just reflecting on what my top five were, and thinking about where I saw them come into play. And then of course, anytime something is the forefront of your mind, you’re constantly thinking about it, you’re going to recognize it come up in places constantly. And my college experience was very much guided by making my own rules and making my own decisions. So I very much pursued and was involved and engaged with things that I liked and that I enjoyed. Ironically, the class schedule for business majors is pretty much almost 100% virtual even during non-COVID times. So you really get to shape your day to day life, based on what you want. And for me, my day to day life was definitely centered around my strengths, but I didn’t realize it at the time, because I didn’t know what to call that. I’m definitely leading high in Woo, because I love meeting new people, I think you can always learn from them. And that definitely sprung me into a lot of involvement in engaging with a lot of different student organizations and meeting new people and things like that just as an example.

Murray Guest  04:43

Yeah, and I’ve been helping people understand their strengths for about the past six years, and Woo can be one of those strengths and talents which people don’t quite understand or see as a negative. You said it helps you meet people and connect with people. Is there any situations you’re happy to share, where it’s like, I know I tapped into my Woo. And it really helped me.

Elena Pastore  05:10

It’s hard to pinpoint one specific thing, because I just feel like it’s always present. I don’t know. It’s just, I don’t know, I guess. I guess a vague example would be when I meet people, I try to figure out how I can relate to them. And I think that’s also my Includer speaking, I think it’s the two of them working together. It’s meeting people, being friendly, making them feel comfortable. What do we have in common? What experiences can I share with this person or with this group? And so I think I’m good in getting to know you or meeting people for the first time settings, because I lead with those two strengths. And they’re very people oriented and, you know, just wanting to make people feel good.

Murray Guest  06:04

Yeah, I can hear you describing how they can feed off each other quite well. I want to make sure people feel included, I want to make sure that they feel connected. And at the same time, I want to really get to know you, I want to connect with you quickly as well. Can I ask, did you in your understanding of these strengths, see how they showed up for you earlier in life as well? Is this something that’s been part of you for, you know, through your school years and younger years as well.

Elena Pastore  06:34

Certainly responsibility, because I was always the kid that would remind the teacher that they didn’t collect the homework in class, and everyone hated me for it. But I said, if I did this homework, and I spent the time to get it done, I want to make sure I get the credit for it. It’s not my fault if other kids didn’t do their homework. So I definitely was that student a couple of times in my childhood, so that’s definitely my Responsibility. The Woo I think I definitely developed in my adolescence, I used to be very shy as a kid and not wanting to put myself in situations where I didn’t know people or meeting new people. It was frightening to me. So I think definitely, in my adolescence, I developed that. I don’t know what I would say.

Murray Guest  07:26

Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, I understand. I have Responsibility number five, like you. And I see that as that sort of foundation strength, just my way of showing up and serving people. I’m also very aware of the blind spots that can have for me, or those basement descriptions where I can take on too much or can’t let things go. Interestingly, we’ve been having a resurgence of playing Uno. But we’ve been having these conversations about what’s the correct rules. And for me, I can see my responsibility showing up that we’ve got to follow the rules, you can’t put a draw to on a draw to, you know, that’s just the rules. And then my father in law and I have had some conversations about what he thinks are the right rules. I’m like, No, the rules say this. Does that play out for you as well, some of that responsibility like that?

Elena Pastore  08:26

Um, I’ve taken a couple of other, you know, personality type assessments. And I don’t remember what this one was called. But there was a portion where it asked about, are you a rule breaker or rule follower, but then it gave contingencies based on, Well, if you were in this situation, would you break the rule, if it’s, you know, enticing, or it seems like more ethical to break the rule because of whatever the outcome would be. So I definitely follow the rules for homework and for things that are, I guess, seen as more objective in my eyes, but the things that are maybe more subjective or that I think the risk is worth breaking the rule or the risk is worth doing that thing that you don’t know how it’s going to turn out, then I always want to pursue what I think is right, or what I think will be the best for whoever’s involved. And I think the doing what’s right part of it is my belief.

Murray Guest  09:29

Yeah, I’m just thinking about some beliefs and values coming out there as well for you.

Elena Pastore  09:33

Yeah.

Murray Guest  09:36

Yeah but just to clarify, can you put a draw to on a draw to in Uno?

Elena Pastore  09:44

Oh, I didn’t realize you’re asking about the game. I’ve never played that game. I know what it is. I’ve just never played.

Murray Guest  09:50

I’m shocked! I thought it was a universal game. We’ve all played it.

Elena Pastore  09:53

It is. Yes, it is. I’ve just never played it.

Murray Guest  09:57

You’re gonna have to come back to me on that one. Okay, so tell me what are you doing these days, work wise? And what’s taking up your time?

Elena Pastore  10:10

Yeah, so I am involved in three different work, segments, gigs, whatever you want to call them, that I really love all of them. And the first, that I spend the most time in, is I work with a startup. And it is a technology startup out of Gainesville, Florida, which is where the University of Florida is. And it is, we have a web based application that is designed to help students develop their soft skills. So communication, leadership, all that great stuff that you and I all know is important for students to, to develop, to implement in their careers and in their lives. So that’s the first thing. And the second thing is I do copywriting on strengths for an organization that does strengths coaching. I really love, I really love writing. So I write blogs on strengths and just blogs on other topics centered around leadership and how to be a coach. And I’m also helping an old professor from my university that wants to write a book. And he was a very, very successful entrepreneur of a technology company. And he wants to make a book out of his business best practices and lessons. So I’m helping him to organize and collaborate on that.

Murray Guest  11:39

Fantastic. I love that app that you’re helping that technology company develop, as you said, those soft skills, which links is something which I know that you’re passionate about, too. And that’s the education system and what it is that people actually learning and their skills that they’re developing. How would you describe the education system at the moment, in the US particularly?

Elena Pastore  12:02

Yeah, so I unfortunately don’t know too much about the rest of the world to compare. But in the US, it’s very antiquated. You’ll frequently hear students, parents, everyone talk about, you know, school teaches you, y equals mx plus b school teaches you the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell. But school doesn’t teach you how to do taxes, how to be a good person, how to be a leader, and all of these other skills that you do need to learn at some point in your life, because it’s just a part of something that everyone needs to do. And you wonder, how do people learn these things? Or do they even learn them at all. And in some cases, people go far too long in their lives before they do develop some of those skills and learn some of those things they should have learned a long time ago. And so, the work with this technology company that I mentioned, our goal is to help students, or provide students with the tools that enable them to learn more about these things. You know, there’s studies that have been done and metrics out there that talk about how the most successful, doesn’t even have to be an employee, the most successful people are the ones that are emotionally intelligent, are the ones that are self aware, are the ones that know how to communicate, and it’s just not being done in schools in the US. You know, and everyone has worked with people that you can see they don’t have these skills, and it’s just, you know, everyone just everyone needs to learn them. So I hope some other parts of the world are doing better.

Murray Guest  13:58

Yeah, well, I think it’s one of those things which has been done in some areas that I’ve heard about in pockets that have been doing well, where there is that investment in that EQ and that self awareness, but it’s not consistent. It’s not to anywhere near the depth that I think that you and I both agree needs to happen. That the app that your client’s working on, the students that’s going to be for, at what level are you hoping that that’s going to be available? Is it for like school aged, is it Middle School, is it college? What’s the aim there?

Elena Pastore  14:33

So the CEO created it with college students in mind because she’s a college professor. However, it can really be for high school students or for college students. Anyone that’s at that age where they, they know that there’s more to learn and more to do. And, you know, not everyone goes to college, too. And the students that don’t go to college still need to learn these things equally as well as students that do go to college.

Murray Guest  15:04

Yeah. So something that’s popped into my head is the concept of a growth mindset and how important that is that we approach. Where do you think that plays out in this sort of development?

Elena Pastore  15:19

I actually just wrote a blog on growth mindset. So there you go.

Murray Guest  15:24

There we go.

Elena Pastore  15:24

Very fresh in my mind. Yeah, I think everyone can have a growth mindset, but certainly not everyone does. And you can’t necessarily convince people to have a certain mindset or thinking a certain way, I feel that everyone individually needs to come to the realization or understand for themselves, why growth mindset is important. And unfortunately, sometimes it’s difficult to get people with a fixed mindset to understand the other side. So students, or anyone with a growth mindset, I think, is going to be able to develop and grow more, because they are the ones that value that. One thing that I’ve learned in business is that, like I just alluded to, you can’t convince someone of something, they either believe what you say, or they’re just not going to, and, you know, your your, your efforts are better spent a lot of times working with people, or talking to people that are on the same page. So people with growth mindset, definitely will get more out of investing in themselves. But people with fixed mindset are not a lost cause, and are not doomed, and something they can’t change. It’s just a different approach you would need to take with them.

Murray Guest  16:54

Yeah. And looking back on my own personal development, I think I wasn’t aware of the concept of a growth mindset until, you know, early 30s, or something like that. And thinking about, imagine if people were having that understanding and developing that growth mindset, like you’re saying earlier in life, whether that’s college years or even earlier, how that changes that approach to learning to understanding to growing to being open to new ideas, and improving. If there’s someone listening, while hope there is many people listening, that wants to know the best way to embrace a growth mindset, what would be your tip, do you think for them?

Elena Pastore  17:38

To embrace a growth mindset. I am a huge self awareness advocate. I’m a huge fan of Gary Vaynerchuk. If you know him. And I attribute all of my personal self awareness and learning about it to him. But I just think that self awareness is so powerful, because when you look internally, and really aren’t afraid to be vulnerable with yourself, and understand what you are good at, what you’re not good at, what your strengths are, in the areas that you need to grow. Your growth mindset will take that information and help you place it or put your energy into the best context for you to realize growth in whatever area that you see you need to improve in and work towards. So self awareness and reflection will be my advice.

Murray Guest  18:49

I’m gonna ask you a question, which I hope we can go there. So no, no pre prep everyone.

Elena Pastore  18:57

Go for it.

Murray Guest  18:59

Considering the year that 2020 has been in the US how do we get that growth mindset to more people to change and help heal and move people forward? I’m gonna put you on the spot. How do you reckon we could do that?

Elena Pastore  19:18

That’s fine. Um, so I’ll reference Gary again, one of the things that he has said about 2020 is, you know, don’t cancel the year that woke you up. Just a lot of things alluding to the fact that you know, every negative situation opens another door or has another opportunity and when you’re faced with something bad or something negative, that you can’t do anything about it. Focus on what you can control, focus on the things that you can do. And so, you know, having that type of attitude, I definitely think that this is one of the best years to have a growth mindset because you’re physically limited with what you can do anyway. And he also always says, you know, this is the greatest era to be alive, because you have the internet, you have everything at your fingertips, you can become an expert in anything you want to just because you can Google it, and learn it and figure it out. And so I know that that’s a very positive and optimistic, look at what 2020 has brought us. But you’re not doing yourself any good service by, you know, being upset, or focusing on the things that you had planned that you can’t do, or, you know, being sad. And of course, this is all aside from the disease itself and people getting sick. Yeah, um, but this is a very powerful time. Because if there has been any wake up call for all of humanity, to act on the things that you’re passionate about, or have always been wanting to do, this is the time for it. So I try to be optimistic and positive in times like this, and just I’m always a huge advocate of think about what you can control and create the best possible situation out of it for yourself, because no one is going to do it for you.

Murray Guest  21:31

Yeah, yeah. So in your own self reflection of 2020, are there any lessons that you’re taking out of this year, into next year and beyond?

Elena Pastore  21:46

I will say at the beginning, I was kind of happy that I was stuck at home because I don’t really give myself a break very often, I’m always go, go go. And so it was like, Okay, I can kind of chill for a couple weeks. And then of course, it just went on and on for months and months. And the biggest thing that I learned in the beginning is, I shouldn’t have to have a crazy pandemic to say, Okay, I deserve a break now. And I think a lot of Americans, at least because work life in America is crazy. But I’m sure people all over the world as well, are very hard on themselves and their work. And even if you love it, you know, it’s important to take that mental break. So that’s the first thing that I learned. And then the second thing, I guess, is that, especially when you’re at home and have nothing, or no one to hold you to things or to go anywhere, you really have to be self disciplined to work out every day to you know, check off all these things that when you have all the time in the world, and there’s no pressure to do them, what’s going to make you get motivated to actually do them.

Murray Guest  23:06

Did you see Wally, the Pixar film?

Elena Pastore  23:10

When it came out? It was a while ago.

Murray Guest  23:12

Yeah years ago, but I don’t know if you remember when it came out. You know, in the future, there’s always people that are quite overweight, or very overweight, and they’re on these sort of like, hovering sort of things. I don’t know, what you call hovering chairs, going around everywhere. And I remember at the start of this year, I thought, I don’t want to end up like that, like, I’m gonna use this time to make sure I invest in my health, look after me. Because it’s so easy not to. So you’re right, you need that self discipline and that motivation. But and I also love that other lesson. And a few people, quite a number I’ve talked to, have had that, let’s not wait for a crisis to look after ourselves. You know, self care isn’t selfish. Let’s invest in ourselves as we go along throughout the year. So that hopefully, those healthy habits of people who implemented this year, they continue beyond because you’re right, we don’t wait to get to the point of burnout or something like that. Yeah. You mentioned earlier when you’re referencing Gary Vee around the internet and access to information and Google and you also let me know about the impact of The Social Dilemma on Netflix. And I’ll put my hand up and say I started watching it. I was I was actually away for work recently. And I started watching it and thought, alright I’ll come back to it. So I need to finish watching it. That’s why I’ll put my hand up and say that. For those that haven’t seen it, please, can you give us Elena, your perspective of what it’s about and the impact it’s made for you.

Elena Pastore  24:45

I also want you to tell me what you thought of the little bit that you watched?

Murray Guest  24:50

Well, I think I put down my device. That’s one of the things I did. So very quickly I’ll jump in. I realized through this year, my time on Twitter has gone up and up and up. And I think it was my thirst for information. And then my thirst for what’s going on in the world, whether that’s around the pandemic or other, you know, protests, Black Lives Matter. And that thirst for information, but then I realized I was getting to some unhelpful habits of looking through Twitter. So I’ve actually consciously stopped and I actually don’t have the app on my phone and haven’t been on there now for a week. And I feel better. So what does it mean for you?

Elena Pastore  25:36

Yeah, um, there are definitely some. So I guess for those that haven’t seen it, that are listening, I’ll briefly explain. It’s essentially, they’re interviewing executives, current past executives from some of the biggest social media companies. And they’re talking about a lot of the negativity or bad, maybe mal-intentioned, or maybe not mal intentioned things that are happening in the social media world and the negative influence it’s having on our society. And for me, a lot of it didn’t come to me as a surprise, because I’ve done a little bit of work with SEO. And I know how targeted you can get with ads, just as any random consumer. So I know that they have, you know, a lot of data and things like that. But the craziest part is showing how strategic they are with targeting each individual person, and really getting you to pick up that device and spend more screen time on whatever their platform is. Which I also kind of knew, but for me, the part that was most striking was when they started talking about politics, and some of the more sensitive, controversial topics. So they talked about in America how, you know, the 2016 election was compromised, because of social media, how leading up to the election this year, which is only a couple of weeks away. Media is affecting our lives outside of what we’re doing on the screen so much, and how it’s making people hate each other, just because they’re associated with a specific political party. And it, you know, we’re about so much more than what political party we affiliate with. And I’m anxious to see what’s going to happen in the future, just in general with social media and how people are so influenced. And don’t fact check. 

Murray Guest  28:19

And the reconfirming beliefs, from my understanding everything about social media platforms, and online information, and reconfirming what you believe, because you keep on seeing it, and algorithms keep on giving you that information, which then can cause greater separation, and, you know, I guess misunderstanding between different perspectives.

Elena Pastore  28:42

Right, right. And I never realized that it had that power. But it’s because they talked about how it’s a subtle, it’s a small thing, they modify your behavior because of all of these miniscule interactions or actions that you take each day on social media. So it’s, it is pretty wild.

Murray Guest  29:06

Yeah. Can I just quickly check in – have you changed your habits at all since watching it as well, the documentary?

Elena Pastore  29:16

Um, you know, of course, I’m going to be that person and say, I don’t really go on it that much. To be honest, I haven’t really changed my habits, but I am not. I don’t think I go on too much. And I’m, or I guess now I’m being more aware of what I’m looking at and my reaction to it, but I don’t think I went on it too much to begin with. But of course, that’s my opinion. Everyone can probably do a little bit less. Just being honest.

Murray Guest  29:51

Yeah. And I guess there’s, I think if everyone is more consciously aware of the way they are, as you’re saying, aware of the information and looking at the way it’s making them feel. Because it’s actually going to keep on being shown to you in a way which could lead you down to a way of thinking and feeling. But if you’re more aware of that, and you actually doing, actually some pause and reflection, I think that’s really powerful. I want to ask, you know, obviously talking about this year, and what 2020 has been like, and in the work you do, I’d love to know, where do you think we’re going to be? I know, you don’t have futuristic in your top five. I wonder where that might be. But where do you think we’re going to be in about 10 years time? Well, where do you hope we’re going to be?

Elena Pastore  30:40

In 10 years? I hope we have a vaccine.

Murray Guest  30:46

Well, hope it’s before then. But yeah, I agree with that.

Elena Pastore  30:51

In terms of social media, or in terms of just anything?

Murray Guest  30:54

Well, I’d like to know, what’s the first thing that comes to mind with that question, it could be for you, as you said, it might be social media, but maybe more broadly, back to some of the other things we’re talking about around business and college and education and things like that.

Elena Pastore  31:07

I have read up about on, you know, just some articles from reputable services on the internet about how education is going to be revolutionized and how there may be less weight or importance given to college degrees, there’s going to be more, or I should say a greater shift towards I think it was referred to as micro certifications. I don’t know what the term was, but I think it was essentially, you know, a certificate here a certificate there, a license here, a license there, so people can not be wed to one particular career path or route. Which I don’t really think many people are wed to their career path today, unless you’re a doctor or something very specific. But I definitely think that I don’t, to be honest, I don’t think in only 10 years college will be significantly less desirable for students. But I do think there has been a greater shift towards gig work. And I think that will continue to increase. And I do think that people will continue to go for some of those smaller licenses or certifications, just so they diversify their portfolio of what they’re qualified to do.

Murray Guest  32:47

Yeah. And I hear that from our start of our conversation with the type of work you do working with different people at the moment. And, again, here’s a quote, and you might have heard this, maybe it was Gary Vee. I’m not too sure. But it was around, you know, get ready for the world where we’ve actually got a million one-person businesses. And we’re beyond that now. It’s entrepreneurial, that flexibility in a different way people work, and there’s just so many, I guess, opportunities for people now to work in different ways.

Elena Pastore  33:23

I haven’t heard that. It’s interesting. But I also, not everyone can be an entrepreneur, because we need people to work for corporations. And I don’t think everyone’s necessarily cut out to be an entrepreneur. Just because of a lot of extreme, I guess, qualities it requires of people. But I mean, I work for three entrepreneurs. And I love doing that. Just because of the the entrepreneurial spirit and just the way that you do work with them. And it’s just more personal, at least to me. And intentional, you feel like you’re making an impact, but just the the mindset and the mentality of entrepreneurs. I just love being around because I find it very inspiring.

Murray Guest  34:19

Yeah. And I like your link there too, around, you know, working for larger organizations and being an internal entrepreneur. So an intrapreneur. Which that growth mindset is still needed in those positions as well. Of course, yeah.

Elena Pastore  34:32

Exactly. Yeah, we need we need people all over.

Murray Guest  34:36

Yeah. Just to round us out. And to go back to the start of our conversation around strengths, for anyone that’s listening that hasn’t taken the Clifton Strengths Finder or discovered their strengths, what would be your motivation for them to go and do it? What would you say is the reason for doing it do you think?

Elena Pastore  34:55

I mean, I just learned so much more about myself. Not only to apply apply to a career, but also just understanding my personal habits and behaviors and actions. So it’s very, very cheap. And it’s extremely, extremely worth the price. But taking it is only the first step, you have to do to research or have a coach and invest in it, but you will just be happier and more successful in all aspects of your life if you really take the time to invest in it.

Murray Guest  35:32

Yeah, and I totally agree with everything you’ve said, I love helping people understand their strengths, it made a big impact in my life first finding out my top five, eight years ago, and since obviously, my full 34. And I agree with your comments to around that personal development and self awareness, and even our growth mindset. It all links beautifully to how strengths can help with those areas as well. Elena, it’s been fantastic getting to know you and what you do and your passions and your insights for what life’s like and what you do. Just to help wrap up just a couple of last questions. Can I ask what do you think 2021 is going to look like for you? What are you going to be working on? What sort of things you’re going to be doing?

Elena Pastore  36:19

Yeah, so I am an aspiring strengths coach. So I am just starting now to get into finding some work doing strengths with students. So I plan to, hopefully before the end of 2021, launch a little business doing leadership and strengths coaching for college student executive boards. So I served on a number when I was in college, you’re just sort of thrown in and expected to know what you’re doing. And obviously, when you’re a college student, you don’t know what you’re doing. So I think I can really make an impact by helping college student run executive boards and organizations learn about leadership through coaching them just in general leadership terms, as well as integrating strengths into that. And I hope to get my Gallup certification as well. So those are my, those are my plans.

Murray Guest  37:19

Yeah, fantastic. Um, and I can hear you just sparked up then when you talk about that, and about helping those student run college boards that you can really help them and and, you know, draw on your experiences that you said, also through a strengths lens as well. So I’m sure you’ll do fantastic at that. And just to talk about that inspiration, so this is the Inspired Energy podcast, and what would you say your definition is of inspired energy?

Elena Pastore  37:50

So I feel that inspired energy is the motivation or drive to execute on what it is you’re passionate about, through the inspiration of those around you who are rooting for you and helping you along that way. So you have the energy due to your internal motivation and drive. But you can’t do it alone. So you’re inspired by those around you that are helping you get there. That’s what I’m trying to do.

Murray Guest  38:30

Yeah, and I can hear that in your voice. I can see that’s what you do now. And as you’re a coach, and helping people do that, I can see you bring that as well. So awesome getting to know you talking through, again, your experiences, your knowledge and sharing that. So thank you so much for your time. If someone would like to reach out and connect with you, where’s the best place to do that online?

Elena Pastore  38:54

On my LinkedIn.

Murray Guest  38:56

Yep. And I’ll have a link to that on the show notes. Elena, thank you so much, all the best for the rest of 2020. I hope that you are healthy. And I look forward to you know, observing your success as you keep doing what you’re doing and launching the coaching business. So I will see what’s going on for you in 2021. But I’m sure it’s going to be fantastic. I love getting to know you. So thanks again so much for your time.

Elena Pastore  39:25

Thank you so much. I wish you success as well. And I had a great time being on here. So thank you for having me. 

Murray Guest  39:31

No trouble at all. All the best for 2020.