Episode 7 – Jeffrey Allen | Tapping into your energy

In this episode we explore Jeffrey’s top 5 strengths and his work as an energy healer. He shares practical tips to help you tap more consciously into your energy and the impact that can have in your life and your relationships.

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Murray Guest  

Welcome to episode seven of the inspired energy podcast with Murray guest. Today I’m talking to Jeffrey Allen, who I met a few years ago at A Fest, which is an awesome festival for business, growth, mindset, development, with some of the best parties I’ve ever been to as part of a conference. And we met at A Fest in Thailand, have connected again at A Fest in Costa Rica and a few times online. Jeffrey is actually a popular Mindvalley author and speaker and a powerful energy healer, and a pioneer in online energy training. He has taught 1000s of people how to harness the power of their own energy and awareness, to improve their relationships, deepen their spiritual connection and increase their personal presence, happiness and impact in the world. Jeffrey’s mission is to make energy work, and higher awareness available to everyone so we can each unburden ourselves from needless conflict and pain, and embrace happy, fulfilled lives of true passion, purpose and meaning. I love catching up with Jeffrey in this episode of the podcast, and he shares some easy tips for us all to tap more into our conscious energy, so we can improve those relationships with others and just be more aware of our own energy as well. So get ready for a conversation with Jeffrey Allen, energy healer.

Jeffrey Allen  

Hi I’m doing great Murray. So glad to be here. And thanks for having me on the call.

Murray Guest  

Yeah, it’s I’m so looking forward to catching up with you. It’s been a while since I’ve seen you face to face and have one of your really connecting hugs. I was actually trying to remember when we actually met how long ago that was, it was a couple of years ago, wasn’t it? 

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah it would have been a 2014. So five years ago, yeah.

Murray Guest  

Five years ago, and you have just gone on to bigger and better things since we first met. And I love what you do in the energy and the healing space. I’m looking forward to really talking about that today. How’s your week been?

Jeffrey Allen  

It’s been really interesting, actually. Yeah, this, you know, I always go through phases of introspection, where I kind of wonder, like, Is everything going the way I want it to go? And am I doing everything I can to be the person I want to be. And so this week was kind of fun. It was pretty deep. So it’s good, fun time to have a call.

Murray Guest  

Okay, so a fun time. I want to explore that, want to know a bit more. The question I put to a group I was facilitating with recently was, can you describe your year so far in two words? And I wonder if that’s going to be something to help us get talking today? How would you describe your year so far in two words?

Jeffrey Allen  

Oh, that’s funny. In two words, I would say, slow, fast.

Murray Guest  

Wow, what? Tell me more about that.

Jeffrey Allen  

Because this year, in particular, it feels like things might experience in the moment, it feels like things are moving very quickly. Like the moments kind of come and go very quickly. But it also feels like the same thing, like things are especially slow. So I don’t know, why just a little bit different experience of of time this year than usual.

Murray Guest  

Is that experience frustrating you or you feeling like it’s just you’re going with the flow?

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah, actually, it’s, as I kind of relax into it, it feels really good. So at first, you know, my nature is to be kind of driven, I like to get things done and work on the next thing, and the next thing and so on. And this year, I’m getting a lot, done a lot productivity wise, but it doesn’t have that same sense of like, I have to do it or go, go go. So it’s, I guess, a little bit of both, like, at first, it was frustrating, because I felt like I could move faster. But then as I’m relaxing and slowing down internally, I’m noticing that oh, that’s actually everything is moving faster, the slower I go inside, the faster things move outside. Does that make sense?

Murray Guest  

Yeah, it does. So I was talking to someone recently, and we were exploring this the push and the hustle and the impact that has on us, you know, and a whole range from our physical feeling to our energy and our emotions. And we were exploring what it means to slow down to speed up. Yeah. And that’s what I’m feeling when you’re describing that where I’ve just slowing down and the moments are faster, but there’s a bit of grace maybe to where you’re going in how you’re getting there.

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah, I would say that I’m also taking less time doing things that I don’t need to do it, you know chasing down some worry that I have or some something that I’m thinking needs to get done, if I slow down what I’m noticing is that a lot of times within an hour, certainly within a day, a lot of the stuff that I think needs to be done sort of resolves itself, turns out a lot of it is just an internal process, not something I need to take action on. So taking those actions actually been helpful.

Murray Guest  

So as a, as a business owner, as an entrepreneur, as an online, energy healer, and you provide a lot of energy training, for anyone listening to the podcast today, what’s a tip that helped you in that sort of shift in the way you approach things so that you’re not getting caught up in that sort of rush, rush, push, push, but you’re actually able to step back and go with the flow? How do you do that? And what’s the tip and all that?

Jeffrey Allen  

Well, the thing that’s really helped me this week, after I kind of had a big, deep process this week, over a period of days, what finally helped at the end was just bringing it back to the perspective of you know, what, what’s the, it’s not really life purpose, it’s more like kind of a way to live life or life direction. And, and when I, when I remembered that, what I’m here to do is kind of live a life that’s so filled with joy, that it spills over to everybody else. Like when I remember that as my purpose or kind of the way that I want to live, everything gets easy all of a sudden, so that being stressed about something or worrying doesn’t fill me full of joy. And certainly that doesn’t spill over joy to other people, it’s sort of fills me full of anxiety, and stress, which then spills over to other people. And so, when I remember that, like, all right, I’m here to be full of joy, not just to get stuff done, or.

Murray Guest  

I say, one of my words for this year is joy. And so I totally connect with that. But I also want to, so in those moments, you know, where as humans, we might feel stressed, and we’re anxious, and we’re feeling like there’s these pressures all around us, how do we then tap back into that purpose? Or that message of joy? How do you do that? Is it a pause? Or what is it? Do you think?

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah, basically, it’s where I’m focusing my attention. So the, what my wife would say is, if I’m, you know, she pointed out this week, she said, Well, I have a lot of attention focused outward, a lot of external attention. And so I’m thinking a lot about external things and people and situations and things outside. And, and that seems a little chaotic and stressful. But if I bring my attention back to just internally, like, how do I feel if I’m, if I tune into me, in the moment, I always feel good. Like, I actually, I like me, like my energy feels good to me. I think that’s true for everybody. I just think that it’s rare that we tune into ourselves, we kind of, it’s very easy to get distracted by the, by the noise, the news and the, you know, just everything else that’s happening. And so just bring that attention back to like just just a few breaths, just in the side and then noticing like, oh, yeah, things are pretty good right here right now in this moment in this body. And that’s, that’s good. That sort of just sort of shifts the perspective really quickly for me.

Murray Guest  

Yeah, and I’m feeling that’s a real strong link to gratitude isn’t it and being grateful for what it is you have right here and right now? And how powerful that is?

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah, I think that’s maybe that’s where joy comes from is, joy and gratitude are very closely linked. Like I was walking my dog today and I was thinking about just some business stuff that might need to take action on and and then I realized, Hey, I’m walking through the park with my dog and he’s really enjoying it and you know, trees are beautiful and it’s like this is more interesting than thinking about what I might need to do with my business next week or month and then I get to the gratitude that came in like obviously I was like Oh, I’m really grateful that I have that I took the time to go do this you know to have this experience so I want to enjoy it when I’m when I’m taking the time instead of just kind of like I’m walking the dog so that he’ll do his business outside instead of inside that’s what happens when I’m you know, when I’m not filled with joy.

Murray Guest  

Yeah, got you. We walked our dog earlier today as well and isn’t it just so many lessons sometimes from the way they approach life? With that the joy they have for us as people and but also for the way they approach the world around them. I mean, I love watching our dog and the way that he is just so excited. Even nearly talks when we come home it’s like I’m so excited. And then when you’re walking, he is just taking everything around him. And experiencing and as, as humans and as animals, we lose track of that, don’t we?

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah, definitely. It’s funny because when I’m when I’m walking Lucas, he’s, he’s a little Maltese poodle, so a little tiny dog, smaller than a cat. And, and when I’m when I’m walking him at, I noticed so many times, he’s stopping to do something and I’d keep walking, distracted, and then he’ll like jerk on the, you know, on the lead and try to like, stop me and, and I’ll try to pull back. And then I’ll realize, wait a minute, the purpose of this moment is to go for a walk. We’re not actually going anywhere, we’re just we’re walking around, we’re not like, we don’t have a destination.

Murray Guest  

Yeah, that reminder is the purpose to go for a walk or is the purpose just to go out and explore and enjoy and be present with what’s around.

Jeffrey Allen  

And it’s a great, like you said, it’s great metaphor for life. Because regardless of how much I think I might need to plan things for my business, or my relationship, or life or whatever, that’s not really been that successful for me, I haven’t really gained a lot of satisfaction or even traction by planning things and doing things the way I thought I should do. Everything, everything that’s beautiful and big, that’s come to me has just come as a surprise, you know, I was ready, you know, but, but the everything just sort of came on its own, it wasn’t due to any rigid planning, or action or trying that I that I did, actually it is probably the opposite. Things probably come to me because like when I stopped trying, life comes pretty easily.

Murray Guest  

So speaking about the work you do and the business you have, and I know that you’re a powerful energy healer, through Mindvalley and an author, I would just like for people to understand what that means that you do. So as an energy healer, if that’s new to someone, how would you describe that?

Jeffrey Allen  

Sure, yeah. So energy healings. It’s not very well understood. So people, usually when they hear the word healing, they think, like, I’ve got some physical ailment, and then I’m going to be cured of that ailment, as most people think, of healing. And that’s fair, that’s a good definition. But energy healings, not really that, for me, energy healing is about changing the direction that something is going. So it’s not about changing the position, it’s about changing the momentum, and where, you know, the way that we’re flowing. So for example, like, if I had a broken bone, I would go to a doctor, and just have them put that bone in a new position like that would be a wise choice. Yeah. But I have I have a lot of people say, oh, I want to, you know, I learned this, this energy healing thing. And it feels like it’s some kind of magic that I can do to cure anything. But the timing is, is not like that the timing of energy healing is of kind of continuing to become more, more coherent internally. So there’s less noise inside, learning to flow more gracefully with people around me and around in life. And, and then going in a direction, that’s more of a conscious choice. So when I said I don’t plan, it’s not it’s, it’s true that I don’t plan so much on a like on a mental level, like, here’s the steps I need to take. But I do plan a lot on an internal level in the sense of, here’s the kind of life I want to live, here’s how I want to feel. Here’s the you know, here’s the experiences I want. And here’s what I want to, here’s how I want to show up in the world. Like I want to be, I want to show up in the world where I’m like said, I’m full of joy, I’m creating a life for myself that’s filled with joy, that’s spilling over into people around me, because then I’m a net positive in the world. And I think that all of us if we’re a net positive, doing more good than harm, then everything is going to go in a good direction. We don’t have to be too worried about worried about the future.

Murray Guest  

Yeah. Okay. 

Jeffrey Allen  

I don’t know if it’s a good answer for you, but talked around it a little bit.

Murray Guest  

Yeah, no, no, it gets me thinking, that’s for sure. So what’s different though, between energy healing and say if I was to, to meditate or have a more conscious life, because I feel like there’s something deeper and a little bit different that you’re talking about?

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah, sure. So energy healing is, for me, it really recognizes that we have a lot more capability to change ourselves and the world around us than most of us know. So most of us are focused on the material world. So how do I change the objects around me? And you know, to do that, you know, it’s that’s a pretty finite thing, I pick something up and move it or a, you know, dig a hole in the ground. And they’re pretty, pretty tangible things. And, and energy healing is more about, I kind of lost my train of thought there, energy healing is more like how do I work behind the scenes, so not just on the physical level, but what can I do, sort of behind the curtain. And for me, it mostly comes down to what it comes down to either visualization or intention. So I might visualize something, and I’ll give an example to make it tangible. If I’m on, if I’m on an airplane, and I’m flying, and there’s a baby starts crying, you know, a child starts crying close by, I’ve got, if I was just in the physical world only, I might think, oh, that’s kind of frustrating, I don’t really want to be listening to this baby crying. And there’s nothing I can do about it, because it’s not my child. So my situation, right, so that’s how if I’m just stuck in the physical world, but when you when I extend your awareness into the energetic, and with this acknowledgement that we’re all connected, there’s a lot more happening than just the visible world. And we know this, you know, quantum physics is a, you know, you can go as deep as you want, and you know how connected the world is. It’s science, that’s not imagination. But you can, you can use your imagination to tap into that. So what I what I would do, and I’ve done this so many times, like, I would just say, imagine I’m saying hello to that little baby or that child, and just feeling what they’re feeling. And then notice, okay, they’re, they’re afraid, right now, or, you know, whatever, they might be hungry, I don’t know. But when I would just feel what they’re feeling. And then I would just visualize, helping. So I might, I might imagine that I’m grounding that child so that they feel more safe and connected, I might ground their parents. So they’re kind of more present, they can be there. And, and it’s really interesting, it’s very simple. All I’m doing, I’m not forcing anything, or like doing some kind of, you know, secret black magic. All I’m doing is using my intention to imagine a different scenario for them. And, and it’s really strange when you start doing this and start playing with it, you can’t deny that it works. Like when it’s just an imaginary exercise, if you don’t have an experience, you’re just listening to me talk it can, you know, it’s, I wouldn’t expect anybody to believe me out of hand. But if you play with it, you start working with energy work. You know, over the years, I’ve been doing it, there’s no possibility that it could be coincidence. Because when I do that exercise, if I ground somebody on the airplane, they stop crying. If dogs are barking, and I ground the dogs, they stop barking. If I want to, if I’m having a difficult time communicating with somebody, and I just tune in and have a little communication in my mind, a little telepathic communication with them. When I talk to that person, that conversation, it’s as if the conversation had happened in the conscious, so the the way we approach it, each other is different. Sometimes the problem is already solved itself. Many times I’ve had conversations with people, and and then they’ve asked, they’ve come to me and suggested the things that we talked about, hey, what do you think about this idea? And I’m like, I like it, because we talked about it already. Even if it was only in my mind, you know?

Murray Guest  

Yeah. And I can imagine, as you’re talking about that, and the grounding and the intention, and the energy that you’re putting out there to connect with people in a positive way. And you’ve worked with 1000s of people in online training courses and face to face workshops. I can imagine that’s impacted their lives in lots of different ways. And the big one I’m thinking about is the relationships they have with other people.

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah, it’s a lot of good feedback. You know, people say, Wow, this particular tool, energy tool really, really helped you there. If people are struggling with personal boundaries, that’s a place where energy work can really help. If they’re feeling like kind of a sponge for other people’s energy, or if, if people are just feeling like, they’re not getting much done, you know, that that can really help. Energy work can help people either shift their perception or shift their action. So yeah, it’s, it’s great. There’s really no limit. It’s kind of why I got interested in it. And my background is really math and science, computer science, and I just started having odd experiences that I couldn’t explain logically. But I, you kind of have two choices when that happens. When you have an experience that doesn’t fit into your beliefs, you can either decide that your experience didn’t happen and kind of deny it. Or you can decide that maybe your beliefs are wrong. I’ve, for some reason, I’ve always been the latter kind of person, I always just say, Well, I must not know everything. Because I just had some experiences I can’t explain. So I want to learn, I want to learn more. So I just keep trying more and more. I’m a big proponent of people learning through experience, not just believing what people say. 

Murray Guest  

And how long have you been doing this for?

Jeffrey Allen  

When I started college, actually. And I’m 49 now. So it’s been a while?

Murray Guest  

Yeah, well, so. And what are some of the most profound experiences that you’ve had? Or, you know other people have had through this type of focus in energy?

Jeffrey Allen  

Oh, gosh, just across the spectrum. So I have had, people have really amazing physical results. Although that’s not my specialty, like said I focus on more relationships and flow and happiness, and, and, and so on. But I mean, I can I can tell a couple stories. There’s, there’s a fun one with a friend of mine, we were out dancing. This is probably my early 30s just a group of friends out dancing and, and one of the girls who’s good friend, she was she started pulling me into the, into the bathroom. And I was a little surprised, like, I don’t know why she pulled me into the bathroom, you know? And then she, she puts her foot in a sink, and it’s bleeding. And she had stepped on a, I guess, some broken glass on the dance floor. And she’s she asked me for help. And so I just, I didn’t really think about it, I just did little energy work. I just sort of imagined that I was sort of stitching it back together with energy. And, and. And then it just took maybe 15 seconds, you know, just nothing. It didn’t really, I didn’t think much about it. And then it just kind of washed it off. And there was it was no longer bleeding. There was no cut there. And she said, What did you do? I said, Well, I thought you asked me for help. She said what I meant, like help washing it off. That’s like, Well, I mean, we could I could we could put it back if you want. No, no, that’s okay. That’s kind of weird. And so it is possible to make make big, profound changes in the physical world. But it’s not I wouldn’t say people should expect that is the norm. It’s kind of, you know, I can I can tell stories, because I’ve had decades of experience. And sometimes you have a really fun one like that. Yeah.

Murray Guest  

And for the people that are listening and thinking, the skepticism around how does this happen? And of course, as you said, you’ve got a background in math and science. And when we’ve talked before, I’m impressed by your knowledge and your your expertise. So I’m just wondering, how do you handle that? Or do not handle that? Like, how do what do you, you know, that skepticism side of things?

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah, actually, I usually ask that if I’m having a workshop live and we’re playing with energy, the first thing I’ll do is I’ll have people kind of feel energy between their palms of their hands, just because it’s something that most people can get a tangible sensation for. And, and I always ask in the workshop, you know, how many people are energy workers? How many people, you know, just kind of hear for the coffee. You know, how many people are skeptics, and usually, at least one person will admitted, even though there’s probably more in the room and and I just always say the same thing, that skepticism is really healthy, that I believe that our beliefs should be based on our experiences, our personal experiences, not what we’ve read, not what we’ve learned from other people, not what we saw on TV, not what we heard in a podcast. Like it should be based on our personal experiences. And so I think skepticism is really healthy. But the next thing I would say to somebody who’s a skeptic, is, are your beliefs based on your experiences? Or are they based on the things I just said, the things you were taught, the things you learned, the things you think should be true? Things you would like to be true about the world? Because most people, even if they’re pretty conscious are their beliefs are based just on hearsay. You know what people said, but the group agrees. And when you start, that’s what you know, I’m very, I guess you can say skeptical in the sense that I want proof of things. But proof to me means I can repeatedly do something and get results, proof doesn’t mean I understand it.

Murray Guest  

Yeah, that’s a really good. The word that comes to mind when I think about you and what you’re saying is curious, I think you’re quite a curious person. You want to understand, you want to explore. And as you said, the kinesthetics of that by doing, then well okay, what is what happens when I do this?

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah, yeah, I’m just curious because I, like I said I in college is sort of having some weird experiences that didn’t fit into my, my science mindset. And I just thought, Okay, so I’m just gonna roll with that, like, what is that? You know, I mean, maybe I’m crazy. That’s an option like that could be true, I don’t know. But maybe I just don’t understand the world. Maybe there is more to it. I’ll give you another example. It’s kind of fun. This is this is one that that actually do a lot. I get a lot of examples of this is the first time you know, we went to I went to Awesomeness Fest, and I met you. I had been teaching for many years, had a good business teaching energy work and intuition and so on in in Tokyo. And I met Vishen, founder of Mindvalley.  I had this thought that, oh, it’d be nice to take, to do a class with Mindvalley. But I knew that they’re very busy. You know, it’s not, they have a lot of people asking. And so I didn’t really think too much about it. And when, when I got home, maybe a week or so after the festival, I woke up one morning with this very clear instruction in my head that said, if you contact Vishen within the next 30 minutes, he’ll answer. And we want you to, I have this ongoing conversation with them. You know, I call it my guides. But my wife would laugh at that. She says that’s just basically yourself. She said, You can call it guides or whatever. But it’s, you know, it’s, you know, there’s not, she just has a different way of viewing the world. She’s also an energy worker.

Murray Guest  

Can I just say that’s a really good point. And interesting when I remember having a conversation with my middle child, who’s now 16, when he was, I think, trying to think back now would have been seven or eight, one of those sort of, he’s around that age, I think. And I said to him something like, you know, that voice that you hear in your head sometimes? And he said, Yeah. And he said, Does everyone have that? I said, Yeah. And he was like, Ah, I didn’t know that. And it was this great conversation about these voices or these insights we get that him then realizing that that was okay. And that’s totally normal, that we get these thoughts. And that comes from a whole range of areas. But for him to feel, Oh I’m okay. I have those and I want to listen to those.

Jeffrey Allen  

That’s great. That’s such good permission. For me. I think the reason why I think it’s honestly just my training is why I call it guides, is that it seems external, because it’s not something I’m constantly thinking about. And it’s, it’s information, I get a lot of information that I didn’t know about consciously. So like, in this case, if you contact Vishen in the next 30 minutes, he’ll respond and just tell him you want to do a class together. And I was like, Okay, what am I gonna say? I don’t even know his email address. But I just guessed and got it right. And then, so I did what I usually do, I just said, Well, I’m just going to sort of have this little conversation in my head with him. And so I just said, Hello, and what are the things that you would want to hear if I send you an email? And he gave me just three simple things. And so I just wrote a simple email with those things and sent it out. And sure enough, within a few minutes, he replied, and had sent me over and said, Hey, we found any author. And like, I didn’t, I didn’t do anything. I didn’t fill out an application. I didn’t like, go through the front. They had a good process set up for screening authors. I didn’t do any of that.

Murray Guest  

Yeah, they have a very robust process. I mean, they’ve, and that’s a really interesting one, because I know that they are such pioneers and provide such good content out there and have lots of good authors, and you tapping into I guess, your truth and what you’re getting guided on and put that out there. And you got that response straightaway.

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah. And the trick to remember, like, if you’re trying stuff, or the people listening, they want to try these things is that the reason why that works, is that there was already a strong potential. So it was a good match. Like, I didn’t think, Oh, I really want this and I’m going to try to force it to happen by like, you know, through force of will and energy. That doesn’t work any better than force of will through action, any other action. But if there’s, if things fit together well, it can be really easy. It doesn’t have to be a complicated or long process.

Murray Guest  

So sometimes I will be thinking about somebody and I’ll be having a thought about them. I might be driving my car. And the next minute, they’ll ring me and I’ll get a phone call from them. I wonder, you know, and that’s happened quite a lot to me. I’m wondering, is there a link there also with my intentions and energy about that as well?

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah, definitely, definitely. The thing that, the big thing that we’re kind of waking up to right now on the planet, and it’s funny because I say waking up to it, but it’s it’s actually a very old belief system, it’s not something new. Because that is the, the acknowledgement that we’re all connected. And again, you know, more recently, our mental model has lent itself toward that we’re separate, everybody is separate. And sure enough, we are like, physically, we’re separate, you know, we have different bodies, and so on. But there’s a lot more happening at a deeper physics level, that we’re all connected, not just with each other, but with everything, you know, the soul kind of fractal universe, you know, where everything is part of the whole, and everything contains the whole, and it’s a little hard to get our minds around, because the physical world doesn’t look like that to us, you know, I don’t like look at my hand in the see the universe. But, but if you, you know, if you read a little deeper into some of the more interesting sciences, you find that, okay, there’s, there’s truth to that. And, and when you start, you kind of let go of this, this idea that we’re separate and start acting like you’re connected, suddenly, you start getting a lot of feedback that oh, it’s true, we actually are connected. And it’s exciting. You know, that’s, I think that’s actually the the shift that we’re, we’re trying to sort of recover from that sort of overload of separation, right now on the planet. And that’s that feeling separate, not only does it feel kind of lonely to feel separate, but it also, it’s natural, if I believe that I’m separate, it’s natural for me to like, kind of compete, and think that maybe I need to get more for myself and take care of myself or my family or my tribe or my nation or whatever, you know, it gets this kind of competition going.

Murray Guest  

Yeah, yeah, totally. And loneliness. I can’t remember the exact report right now. But I know that that’s something that is on the rise when people talk about Yes, I might be around 1000s of people in my city or my town or where I live, but at that moment, I’m feeling lonely. I’m not feeling connected.

Jeffrey Allen  

Right? Exactly. Yeah. And that’s, and that’s just, that’s kind of by training, that we’re trained in a separate mindset. But when you start experimenting, and thinking, Ah, if I was connected, then I should be able to kind of talk to somebody in my mind. And like, have them somehow receive it somewhere somehow right? That would that would make sense if we are connected. Or I should be able to sort of sense what’s happening outside the things that I can sense with my five senses. And so it’s, it’s that idea of connectedness really opens things up. And that’s actually where I guess that’s kind of the fundamental thing of energy work is energy work assumes connection, that everything’s connected. And that’s that’s tough for people to grasp if they’re very rooted in the the world of separation or the belief system of separation.

Murray Guest  

Yeah, yeah, true. And, unfortunately, there’s the opposite of that. And they’re happening in some parts of the world right now around boundaries, and separation, isn’t there. So if we come back to the core, what you’re saying is, we are all connected. And if we think about what does look like, if we lift everyone collectively, that’s a much better place to live, isn’t it?

Jeffrey Allen  

Oh, yeah, definitely. It’s, I think that that mindset of separation is what’s causing all of the deep issues that we have on the planet. So from, you know, hunger, to political frustration, and, you know, wars, and it all comes from this, just an overuse of this idea that we’re separate. And, you know, kind of a, it needs to be balanced there to understanding that, Sure on some levels, we’re, we’re separate, but we’re not completely separate, we’re also connected. So yeah, both of these things are true. And actually, I think the kind of the, the, you know, like with Brexit going on, you know, that’s obviously like, let’s be separate. And, you know, in the US, we said in politics, you know, this nationalism is on the rise, but I don’t actually worry about that, because I think that’s just a reaction, like the last holdouts of this separate mindset are clinging to the old belief system, because everybody else is moving. You know, the status quo or sort of like the, the new norm is people being connected. And certainly our technology has created that right, technologically, we’re very connected now.

Murray Guest  

Yeah, yeah. Well, you’re sitting in Japan right now, and I’m in Australia, and we’re having this awesome conversation.

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah, yeah. We’re connected.

Murray Guest  

So I’ve got a question. Just thinking about this. If, you know, the 7 billion people in the world were in their cars, let’s imagine everyone has a car, and they’re all driving down the highway. And they’re all driving past a billboard that everyone can see this message, and you have that billboard, what’s on that billboard that you would love everyone to be reading?

Jeffrey Allen  

Hmm, let me think about that. So I think in this moment, what I would put on that billboard is be yourself. And the reason I say it is I just tuned into the energy like, what’s the message that would help people in this moment today, the most? And, and it’s that just be yourself. You know, if there were, if there was small words underneath it, it would say, Stop trying to be the person you think you should be. Stop trying to be who your mom told you. Stop trying to be stronger than this person, better than that person, better than yourself. Just be yourself. I think that’s, that would be a big help.

Murray Guest  

I liked that a lot. And as you know, I’m a strengths-based coach, I love talking about strengths. And I know that you’ve completed your top five strengths, and we haven’t had much of a chat about it at all yet. So we will, I’d love to just ask you a couple of questions. But that is, that billboard message is such a great link to focus on your strengths, focus what you’re good at your natural talents, and be you.

Jeffrey Allen  

Well, it also brings the focus back to self, right? Instead of all the attention being outside, I didn’t say like, do more, or make more, get more. It’s just, you know, being instead of doing, and then yourself instead of the outside world. So it’s very simple.

Murray Guest  

Simple and powerful. Thank you. Did you have a bit of a look at your strengths information?

Jeffrey Allen  

I did. Yeah, I looked at it, it was it was really interesting. It was, I thought pretty accurate. I have them right here, if you want it on my top five were.

Murray Guest  

I’ve got them in front of me. And I am I’m not shocked for one second, that connectedness is in your top five. And I’m sure some of my listeners out there that are strengths based coaches would have heard that so much of what you’re saying earlier. And while that’s your number three, I’m hearing that a lot of what about what you’re talking about as well. So strategic, futuristic, connectedness, relator and communication. So we have three out of the five the same, I have futuristic, relator, and communication. Strategic for me is number six. Tammy, my wife who you know, of course, as well, has connectedness as number one, and the way you were talking before about how everything is connected, we’re all connected. And how you see that and how that drives you in the way that you are as a being. And as a person was just such a great and beautiful description of that talent. When you looked at the information, did any of it stand out to you? Or did you embrace some of that as well?

Jeffrey Allen  

Well, I thought, I thought it was pretty good. Actually. I spent a lot of time reflecting. So there wasn’t anything that was like super shocking, but but I thought that that’s like, Oh, this is pretty good. This is pretty accurate. Like the strategic that that’s number one. I was like, Huh? How does that? How does that play in? And I’m like, Well, it’s true when I think about the world? And how, what am I doing in my lifetime? Probably just the fact that I’m asking that question instead of what am I doing?

Murray Guest  

The fact you’re looking through the world through a lens of what am I doing? How am I getting there? Is answering the question, isn’t it? You’re looking at through that lens of strategic, and futuristic.

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah, but just think like, in the big picture? How, what, how can I help them most? Like if I’m here to help? Like, how can I help the most and and over the years that that answer has changed, but it keeps getting deeper and deeper. I like looking at the bigger picture like kind of the meta level right? If I think about solving one problem, this is really related to software engineering, me as a software engineer for many years and and if I look at a problem like oh, we need to solve this problem, I would always ask myself, Is there a bigger problem that this is a subset of is there like a class of problems that I could solve that would also solve this one? Because if there are then you know, I could solve if I could solve 15 problems the same time and also solve this one then that’s a better use of my time. And when I look at the world like that, that that actually bring leads me to consciousness. That brings me to like, that’s why my business is in helping people change their consciousness. Because I think that’s the biggest lever that we have. That, you know, because I was in the tech world, I love technology, I had a very good career in technology. But what I realized is technology by itself is just a tool. And people can use that tool to, you know, help people, they can use that tool to hurt people, and which they choose has to do with consciousness. And there’s so many people making lots of tools right now, technology tools, that, but there’s not as I think that’s why it’s like, we kind of need to catch up, you know, we need to have some people really focused on consciousness so that we use those tools well. Because, because I don’t see that happening everywhere. I see some people with really powerful tools, hurting people.

Murray Guest  

Yeah, yeah, yeah, gotcha. So there’s this this interface, this overlap of the technology and the consciousness, consciousness, that’s so important.

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah, I think that no matter how good our technology gets, if we don’t change our consciousness on a global scale, then we can’t really improve everybody’s lives. And probably, you know, there’s some danger of having a lot of technology with a lower, you know, sort of a very greedy or separate mindset. It’s kind of dangerous.

Murray Guest  

And I think about your top five, or just shining through as you’re talking around, you know, futuristic number two, that’s that future vision, what you see is possible. That big picture thinking, the blue sky, the strategy, the strategic, how are we going to get there, it’s all connected. And related. Number four, your openness and relator at a core is again, my number one, is about deep, deep, authentic relationships with others, and how open and how authentic you are as a person just shines through in the way that we’ve been talking today. And just in our previous interactions, as well. And of course, communication, you can put your thoughts into words pretty easily, I think.

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah. Thanks. That’s something that seems to come to me. Like some people have told me that, especially around strange things like energy work. I’ve had so many people say, I thought that this energy work was just a bunch of nonsense, and woowoo, and whatever. But then I heard you talk about it. And, and I thought, oh, maybe there’s something to it. And I think, Oh, good. That’s, that’s good. Because you know, the stuff I do is kind of strange, but only because people don’t know about it, not because it’s strange. Just because it’s unknown.

Murray Guest  

Yeah. And being open to again, coming back to that word of curious being open to exploring and what could that mean? And what can I learn from that? Yeah.

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah, that was, I’m always willing to be wrong, too. I mean, that’s the that’s the best thing about exploring is, oftentimes I find out that Oh, wow, that that thing I held dearly for 10 years, and that I talked about that. I’m not sure that’s right anymore. I’m gonna stop saying that.

Murray Guest  

Wow. I mean, when do you think you had that realization, or that the power and giving up the need for being right? Because I think that is such a powerful mindset to have.

Jeffrey Allen  

That’s, that’s been that’s been a lot on my mind recently, like in the last few years, primarily because when I met my wife, and we’ve been married surprisingly, we’ve been married almost nine years. Like, we’re both surprised. We’re like, wow, nine years. But she has a very different perspective. And she is she sees energy in a more literal sense, than I see energy. And I see I see energy I mean, like, see is kind of a metaphor, like, I sort of, I kind of feel it, and I’m aware of it. But I wouldn’t say it’s not like seeing it there. Just you know, you need some you need to pick a way to talk about it. But my wife, like more literally sees energy. Yeah. So. So it was a little bit disturbing, because I was, you know, when I met her, I was already teaching classes about energy work, and she would come to my classes and afterwards, she would say, why did you teach this thing? I said, Oh, because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? And she’d say, Well, yeah, but that isn’t true. Like, what do you mean it’s not true? That’s but it works and she’s like, but it doesn’t work because what you said, it works because of this. Like, you’re you don’t really understand what you’re talking about. And it was hard at first is like, my ego was like, Oh, ouch, I thought it was the big teacher. And so being with my wife, and just being with somebody that understands my field better than me. Like, that’s, that’s caused me to really make that shift. I say, Oh, well, I’m, I’m not right about a lot of things. But I am good at communicating. I’m good at learning. I’m good at helping people see new perspectives. And it’s okay that sometimes I’m not right. Like if I if I help somebody, and I open their eyes in some way to new possibilities, and they’re having a more joyful experience in their life, which is spilling over to the people around them, then that was okay. Even if I wasn’t right.

Murray Guest  

Yeah, well, I think that’s an awesome point to nearly finish on, there’s a couple of little things I want to cover off, but I am inspired by the thought if everyone approached the interactions, whether they’re in organizations, in relationships with people in their family, or their friends with that mindset, then what it then creates, and what is then opens up to being possible in that. Yeah, I love that so much. Thank you.

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah, it helps to just have the kind of a purpose to, not like life’s purpose, spiritual purpose, but a purpose of interaction. Like if my purpose is to create joy and to spread joy. That’s much different than if my purpose is to be right.

Murray Guest  

Yeah, so my language on that one is, I was talking, I was coaching someone the other day, and they’re exploring a new partnership with another business. And it’s very exciting for them, and they’re full of energy and passionate about what’s possible. And I said to him, so what do you hope to have achieved? What do you hope to achieve in this meeting? What is a five out of five look like? And this person with all their passion, excitement explained for the next couple of minutes, all these things. And I said, Okay, that’s good. But actually, in this very first meeting, what does a five out of five look like? Because if you want to achieve all that, in this first meeting, you’re not going to set yourself up for success. Yeah, yeah. So in my, that’s my link to to five, I love yours saying, Well, what’s your intention? What does it look like? What does it feel like? And coming back to Okay. In a way, what I like to think about how I set myself up for success for this interaction? Yeah, in an authentic way. And putting that intention out there, like you have and that’s worked strongly for you as well.

Jeffrey Allen  

Yeah works really good. It’s, it’s fun to think about it because being right is actually something that I really hold dear. Like, that’s kind of I think that’s part of my core upbringing is I must have got validated for being right. Because I was, you know, that’s something I really was clinging to pretty hard. It’s not easy for me to let that go. But but it’s it’s great when I do.

Murray Guest  

So couple of questions. So you’ve given this to me and I just want to see if you want to add any more detail and that’s the definition of inspired energy and I love the different perspectives on this and you’ve let me know it’s living life connected with all knowing consciousness. Beautiful definition, what would you like to add to that?

Jeffrey Allen  

Inspired energy. I guess the other piece I would add, this less concise, my writings always more concise than me speaking. That yeah, that I like the inspiration part of you know the, inspired me and that I, I’m excited about doing something. There’s like, I have a passion. I have like a joy. I have like a drive that’s coming from desire and happiness. Not because I have to do it.

Murray Guest  

Gotcha. Yeah.

Jeffrey Allen  

The inspired parts really important.

Murray Guest  

It is yeah. Okay, so Jeffrey, I’ve absolutely loved catching up with you and exploring this topic that you are so knowledgeable and passionate about. And I get inspired in our interactions and our discussions and I hope people listening today got the same. I think if you didn’t get something out of this that you just aren’t being as curious as possible. I also know that people can reach you at IamJeffreyallen.com. And I’ll have the links in the podcast notes and also at facebook.com/JeffreyAllen.training. If there’s the best place to reach out for you, is that on your website or on Facebook?

Jeffrey Allen  

Probably the website, there’s just more information on the website for people that want to go a little deeper and find out about energy work and there’s some some free things there so you can kind of try it and see. See if you like it.

Murray Guest  

Wonderful. And as you have that partnership with Mindvalley as well, they are regularly providing programs throughout the year as well, aren’t they?

Jeffrey Allen  

Oh, yes. Yeah, there’s links to my mindvalley trading products right on my website.

Murray Guest  

Yeah, fantastic. Okay. Well, Jeffrey, again, I’ve loved connecting. I look forward to chatting again soon. As time has just flown by. Again, I thank you so much. And anyone listening, if you’ve got any comments, please add them to the podcast notes and to also share them on Instagram. Hashtag inspiredenergy and at Murray guest. Again, Jeffrey, thank you so much. It’s been awesome chatting today.

Jeffrey Allen  

Thanks Murray, talk to you soon. Bye.