Episode 46 – Heading into the Roaring 20s | Shane & Angelina Saunders

In this episode I chat with Shane and Angelina Saunders, where they share their insights from the last decade and predictions for the next.

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Murray Guest  

Welcome to the roaring 20s podcasts we’re about to end a decade, head into another one. I’ve got two awesome people Shane and Angie, Angie and Shane. How are you? 

Shane Saunders  

Great. 

Murray Guest  

I’m really good. We were just talking about, you know, we’re getting to the end of the year. But you know, the wheels are still going pretty quick at the moment.

Shane Saunders  

Yeah, yes. Yeah.

Murray Guest  

But I don’t, I don’t feel busy. I haven’t got that busyness feeling. I’m in a bit of flow. How are you guys going?

Shane Saunders  

Yeah, very much, very much the same. You can, I think you can mistake it for busyness. Or you can look at, you know, we’ve been intentional this whole year. And we decided that we wanted to be intentional going into this period, because this period is usually the period where most people kind of either just, you know, they check out or they say, you know, Christmas is here. So we’ll just we’ll leave everything. You know, I think a lot of people do get a little bit, maybe, you know, they go into a little bit of a business depression, because they look back and go, did I get enough done for this year. And so like, we did have that feeling as well. But we thought, we’re going to, we’re going to push through and we still enjoy the holidays. But we’re going to push through and be ready to go into the roaring 20s.

Angie Saunders  

So there’s a time there’s a time to row really fast. And then there’s time to put the oars in the boat. So you just kind of got to know which one to do at what point.

Murray Guest  

Yeah. I also think that you’re right, too many people think, okay, it’s the end of the year, let’s either beat ourselves up or slacken off. And so it’s a great time of the year to be as, I’m loving that word, intentional about what it is that I want to do going into the next year. And what can I do now to set myself up for success?

Shane Saunders  

Yeah, yeah, totally. I don’t think, you know, around this time of the year also Murray like, people, it’s kind of like people are slowing down. So people are more open to planning stuff. You know, we’ve noticed that a lot more people are like, Yeah, let’s plan something for going into next year. So we’ve really found it actually, one of the most productive times that we’ve had, you know, that November sort of coming into December now.

Angie Saunders  

And the trick is, the trick is to just to know where you’re going as well and have those intentions in sight. So and quite often we look at ourselves and reflect on, you know, who we’ve been to be able to get us to where we are today. And then who we have to become going into the new year to get us to the goals that we want to get to for next year.

Murray Guest  

Yeah, gotcha. And for those that don’t know, you are the brains, the breath behind Breathe Me and you breathe powers into people through getting them to focus and consciously, intentionally bring that, that knowledge and understanding about the power of breath into everything that they do in their life. I was gonna just say to me, before you talk about you, let me talk about you. Just you, I love the work that you do. And I’ve done lots of training over the years, and there’s a legacy to what you do, which I want to acknowledge that while I’ve done bits of training with you, either through sessions, or one on one, it sticks with me. And I know it sticks with others because of the power of it. Whether that’s in stress, resiliency, focus, energy, that just coming back to the breath, and, and the different patterns and that awareness. And that knowledge of that and it works. And I still remember Shane saying to me, trust me now, believe me later. And he’s right.

Shane Saunders  

And it’s always with you, Murray. You know, that’s what we love about what we do we’ve come to really realize this year is that it’s something you’re already, you know, what we’re what we’re championing for people is something that you’re already doing, you know, it’s available to you in that and that’s where we see, you know, the navigation of what’s coming up, coming up in 2020. And, and also navigating this, leaving this decade. You know, and leaving feeling like you’ve cleared the energy, you’ve cleared everything else, you don’t have to feel disappointed because you’re always going to be moving forward. And so that’s going to be an amazing thing.

Angie Saunders  

And there’s a lot of pressure and noise out there, especially at this time of the year. So for me it’s like where I get to stop and take a moment like think of it even like a one minute holiday just to stop business as usual. To take a break from the pressure noise to be able to quiet the mind so fast. And meditation for me was a struggle. So that’s why I love the breathing aspect. Because it gives my mind something to do while my body gets to relax and let go. And then quite often, after one to three minutes, I come back going, Oh, I’ve got an idea or a fresh perspective, that will take me into a different direction.

Murray Guest  

Yeah. Now I want to go back 10 years. So if you reflect on that past decade, 2009, through to 2019. A bit of a, bit of a journey, I’m sure. What can you acknowledge and celebrate, when you think about the past decade?

Angie Saunders  

Well, I have so much, I feel like I have so much because in 2009, that’s like, you know, I met Shane, and I got married, I just came here from the US. Getting ready to have a baby in the following year. So there was so much change happening. For me, it was like, growing up from the 20, you know, being in my 20s to getting into my 30s. And so now, the perspective now is going you know, 30s, into the 40s. So there was a, there was a big shift that needed to happen for me, I so like I am I look back 10 years, and I’m not the same person, we don’t have the same life, and I am so grateful.

Shane Saunders  

I totally agree with Angie. And I think that the last 10 years was a self development run up for me, I discovered self development. You know, I always knew that I wanted to succeed, but I just didn’t know that there was a formula to it until actually discovering, you know that and it’s interesting, you know, it’s like, it’s like the ugliest present, right? The wrapping is not very good. But what’s inside, it is amazing. And I think that’s what that’s how self development turned up for me. I was like, I don’t really want to do this stuff. But getting into it, it’s been so rewarding. And, you know, as Angie mentioned, you know, we’ve we’ve raised our girls, we, you know, we’ve come through we have had some, you know, we’ve we’ve had property deals that we’ve done in that time we’ve had them go through and come through to fruition, we’ve learned a lot of lessons, both in business, in investing and in property. And you know, what, what’s really exciting Murray is looking forward to see what’s coming. It’s interesting to also look back and see what the echoing, what the things that keep, like, we’ve noticed that things keep rhyming, you know, they do say that in history. And, you know, the reason why we’re so excited about what’s coming up for for this next decade, is because if you look back even 100 years to the 1920s, you’re gonna start seeing all these parallels, like, you know, look at things like prohibition and all of this, and now you’re seeing, you know, the, they’re starting to come out with legalization of psychedelics, and, you know, all there’s all these things that are rhyming, and the 20s were known as this massive year of like, growth and expansion. And yeah, you know, the rise of independent women and all these things. So I’m looking back on the last 10 years, because you know, like, if I look back 20 years, I kind of go, Well, I didn’t really, you don’t really take notice. But 10 years is enough for you to go, oh, I can see some patterns, you know, you can see some patterns forming. You can take the learnings from what happened. So we’re super excited, like about the learnings that we’ve had from the last 10 years, and we’re certainly married.

Murray Guest  

Well, I love that when I asked that question, there’s a whole lot of different things that came out from getting married to moving to a new country to launching a business to personal development to raising two beautiful children. Like there’s so much in the in the property development and things like that. But when you think about your personal development, is there a theme or a key lesson that has been reoccurring, that you think has grounded you and helped you your success? 

Angie Saunders  

So whenever I’ve been consistent in something, this is a conversation that’s quite active at the moment, I married the the military discipline, right. So for me, the consistent theme has just been one, it’s consistent with connecting with myself, it’s consistent with being able to shift any energy that’s in the way of the momentum of where I want to go. And for me, breathing has been the fastest, most leverage thing most, most intimate thing for me, like made for me sort of modality.

Murray Guest  

Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. So the connecting to yourself, yes. And grounding and the power of breathing to help you do that.

Angie Saunders  

Yeah. And I would also say that, it’s also a fast way to replenish my own energy. So like, you know, people talk about self love and nurturing, thinking that we have to go get our hair and nails done for self love and nurturing. But for me, it’s about, you know, clearing the energy of the any sort of stress in the body by using the breath. It’s, you know, drinking more water than I usually do. It’s making sure I get sleep, it’s, you know, making sure I go outside, so I don’t feel trapped in these four walls. You know, it’s the little things.

Shane Saunders  

Yeah, what’s wrapped up for me in this last 10 years over this, this journey of self development, Murray, has been your quality of your thoughts are everything. And if you bought, like, if you boil all the self development stuff, even the ancient stuff that I’ve read, you know, because we’ve done a lot of study on the yogic stuff, tower stuff, you know, with the breathing, because it takes you down that, that path, and where it all intersects, it all intersects at a couple of different things, I believe, and this is just my opinion, it intersects at the quality of your thoughts, it intersects at looking after your body. And it intersects at really understanding sexual energy and life force. Like and there, I think that the, those three things are, are folded into the fabric of all self development. But really the one that I think is the most, I guess that the one that you can work on the most, or the one that’s really easily accessible as the quality of your thoughts. Because you are what you’re thinking, you know, just having that dawn on me after, you know, 10 years of going through this stuff and crawling through everything. And it’s like, really, you know, if you can get to that stage, where you’re like, Okay, what’s what do I do each day, to have quality thoughts, to think quality of other people to think quality of what I’m doing, you know, and and avoid, you’re always going to have negative thoughts. It’s just, your human, it’s life, right, your environment is going to going to press that on you. But it’s how you have, how you create a shield around yourself to be able to deflect those things. It’s how you absorb those things. And it’s how you ultimately, you know, interpret them, and then, you know, move forward in life. So I think that that’s been pretty much the major thing that I’ve sort of found out with it.

Murray Guest  

I’d like to add, and I totally agree. And that’s been a lesson for me, certainly in the past 10 years, and the power of our thoughts and how they shape our world and how we see ourselves and those around us. But when we have those negative thoughts, because we are human, and I certainly get them just like anyone does. It’s about having that awareness about when you have them. What do you do with and what do you do after, when they come up? Do you continue down a spiral? Do you sit in that that self pity? Or do you start to start to think some different thoughts and as hard as that might be, there’s, that’s when the power comes in, because it’s starting to change how you see the world.

Shane Saunders  

Totally, totally. And the, you know, we’ve what we’ve discovered through the modality of breathing is that, you know, when you find yourself stuck in one of those negative spirals, the breathing is powerful enough to shift the state to shift the energy to give you a, it gives you like, this little it’s, you know, like electric shock there. Right? Like, it gives you enough of a bump out to go, Whoa, what what was I doing, you know, like, and you’ll, you’ll get to see it. So that’s why we love it. And there’s no talking involved. There’s no like, there’s no like, Oh, you’ve got to positively think or you got to do this, you got to It’s like no, just sit down and be with your breath, or, you know, go through a certain pattern or a certain way that you do it. And it will, you’ll feel something different. And that’s enough to sort of bump you out of it.

Murray Guest  

So I want to jump in and share a breathing lesson, which I haven’t shared with you, that I’ve had over the years. And and I want to get your perspective on this one. And so as you know, I like to ride my mountain bike, and I had this realization that what I would do is, you know, breathe, breathing in and out consciously when I’m riding up the hill cross country, but I’ll get into sometimes a bit of a situation where I would just be hanging on and holding my breath on the downhill. Yes. And get to the bottom and I’m not energized. And I’m sure it was Tammy that said to me, don’t forget to breathe in on the downhills. Yes. And that that message has stuck with me not just in writing, but just in life that we seem to focus on our breath when it’s like okay, times are tough, but also focus on when you’re in the flow and going down. 

Shane Saunders  

Yes well, it totally is and I think also just listening to that, Murray, I think what what a lot of people maybe don’t realize consciously is when you’re concentrating, there’s a tendency to pause your breath. Yeah and I think of animals in the wild when they’re hunting. Just before they’re about to strike, they will pause their breath because it’ll increase the sensory, you know that it’ll increase the hearing and the sight and everything that because you’ve not got an internal sound. So there is a, there is an evolutionary part to that. And when you learn to flow and breathe, like through your nose, through concentration, or through difficult times, you will have a different experience of what’s happening. So yeah, definitely, that’s a it’s a great real life experience. There’s another

Angie Saunders  

Another perspective of possibly even bracing for impact, you know, so it just depends on where it’s coming from.

Shane Saunders  

You’ve been there already.

Murray Guest  

We can edit that bit out. Thank you. I think, yes, I think you might be right. Now, I want to do a bit of predicting that we’re going forward, as you said, we’re heading into those those 20s. The 2020s. What do you think that looks like for the work that you’re doing? For the people you work with? And even for, more broadly, what do you think life’s gonna be like?

Angie Saunders  

Wow, that is a really good question. This is something that I’ve been mulling around even for the last three years.

Shane Saunders  

Before we start, though, no one’s got a crystal ball. This is if we’re invited to express just our opinion.

Angie Saunders  

So for for me, I have a vision. I mean, there’s a vision for myself, a vision for the business, a vision for the family, you know, and it all kind of fits in pretty well, where I feel, I feel that there’s a motivation to share this work with people because of the impact of how great it’s had me feel, and how we’ve been able to enjoy our life and how we’re still married. Yeah, I think that that is, for me, it’s a it’s a it’s a mission, to be able to share this work with others. So however it looks I’m open to how it looks. However, there is a little bit of a focus vision on where we’re going to be taking it.

Shane Saunders  

Yeah, I think the if we do look at I know I mentioned it before, but Murray, if we do look at if history plays out the same way as yet, as it always has, like, if you go back and look at history, the rhyming is absolutely ridiculous. I didn’t, I didn’t know this until I studied more economics and more about cycles in investing. And I was just totally blown away, because I’m super skeptical. But there’s just these rhyming things, if we look at if we look at coming into this decade, coming into this decade, you know, economically, it’s, it’s going to be a rough start, like when I say rough start, it’s going to be a lot happening. It’s not like there’s going to be you know, everyone’s saying or, you know, there might be crashes, there might be this probably is going to be that kind of stuff. However, we are moving into a prosperous decade. And then at the end of the decade, supposedly, we’re going to have a little bit of a drop off the cliff, again, which is which which is which is forecasted in a lot of the you know, because when things go up, and they blow up into things, there’s got to be a natural correction. So I think in this decade, we’re gonna see some ups, and we’re gonna see some big downs. And I think that if you’re really prepared for that, and you and you’re smart about it, and you’re looking in the right places, you’re going to be able to really, financially profit from that. But also growth wise and knowledge wise, I think it’s going to be massive. And so where we come into all of that is we’re preparing all of our clients and everyone we know, to be able to like navigate that turbulence at the start. Because if you’ve got your, if you’ve got your skates strapped on properly, you you are going to win. Like it’s going to be a fast pace, frenetic, you know, start to the decade and going through, but I think if you’re ready, then you’re really going to you’re going to pick up some, you know, financial wise, business wise, all of that, we are super excited. And, you know, we’re telling all our clients, and we’re talking to all our clients insane, just had the skill sets down, have you breathing down, have your estate management down, have all this stuff down, because there’s going to be things that are going to be seemingly, you know, like, there’s going to be bright, shiny objects everywhere. We all know in business, that the whole bright shiny object thing is a classic, grab your attention and take you off, you know, your eye off the ball. So we are we are super excited about it. And we feel that we’ve been, you know, we’ve been blessed and we’ve been charged with, with bringing the breathing and the work that we do to entrepreneurs, to the business owners to people scaling their teams, to trailblazers, to all these people so that they can push forward and, you know, it’s also going to be a chance for there to be more massive change in culture, you know, we’re seeing the rise of, of independent women, you know, women leaders, you know, around the world. And I think that it’s probably about time that, that there is some feminine energy risen in the world, just it just to balance things out a little bit and bring more perspective to leadership and to what’s going on.

Angie Saunders  

Being able to have the energy to surf the waves of change, whether they’re up or down.

Murray Guest  

And there is so many good stories around that change in the female leaders in the world and the feminine energy that’s coming around and some equality, that also unfortunately, in some areas, we’ve got some still some segregation and some separation happening and things like that. So you’re right, there’s still some rough patches to come. But hopefully, then that’ll all balance out.

Angie Saunders  

Well, to be able to come together, you have to understand that you’re separate. So it’s all part of the process.

Murray Guest  

Yeah. Now, I’ve been putting people on the spot through these conversations asking me if they’re willing to put out any personal goals, they might have some people been talking about books, other people talking about things they want to launch or things they want to achieve. If I asked you, is there any personal goals you’re willing to put out there and say, Hey, this is some stuff that I’m you know, and you can you actually can separate at times, like?

Angie Saunders  

He definitely has his own goals.

Shane Saunders  

We have our own and we have them together. Yeah.

Murray Guest  

So what are you happy to share?

Angie Saunders  

I would like you to go first Shane actually, because I usually, I’m usually the one that’s got it all right there.

Shane Saunders  

I’m the one that I’m the one that still struggles with my own my own goal setting cause I only see week to week what’s going on. That being said, we we are currently growing the business so that we can go to the US, now going to the US is a big step for us. For me, it’s a big leap. But I just got to the point, Murray, where I’ve started looking at how big our business can be, you know, for years, for years, and the years leading up and the last sort of three years that we’ve really had this business cranking. I’ve always I could never see where it could get to. But now, given the partnerships that we’ve got going in the US, given where we’re heading, we’ve, you know, we’ve been approached by some pretty prominent people in in the area of breathing that, you know, that want to look at the different protocols and maybe have them tested and things like that, that’s just an amazing thing that’s come up, I see that our business can really jump from where it is now into a million dollar business. And just knowing knowing that and talking to a lot of people, all our current clients right now run businesses between three and 10 million in the US. And just to see that what what’s given me a lot of perspective is that they’re still they’re still doing it, they’re still struggling with the same stuff, it doesn’t matter if you’re making that amount of money, you’re still struggling with thinking about you’re gonna lose it or you’re still got troubles with the family or you know, it’s you’re human and you’re human. And so we’re really seeing that, that we can really bring our business up that our goals goals that I thought wouldn’t be achievable three years ago, I can see heading into this period are achievable. They are and I know Angie is smiling like finally got on board. But I think next year, taking our business to a million dollar business is in on it, you know, people I if I was listening to me, and I hadn’t been in that game, I’d be like, Oh, well, you know, everyone wants a million dollar business. The thing though, is that what I’ve realized this getting to a million dollars is not some you don’t get a trophy in a medal for it, it is actually where your business actually where most businesses only begin to start. When they get when they get there, you know, you know, seeing the guys that we’ve seen and working with them. It’s been amazing to see how that is. It’s a milestone, but it’s also only the first real step to scaling truly scaling a business and having teams and things like that so.

Murray Guest  

So I’m mindful of our time and how much you can talk about your goal…

Angie Saunders  

Shane does love to talk. But I don’t mind, gives me a break.

Murray Guest  

And he will give me you know, high level, some goals that are important to you. Because Shane used up all your time.

Angie Saunders  

Yeah, so it’s really for me it’s a it’s all about team and it’s all about the impact. So for me is it is as long as I can build a team and create the impact on on being able to create a difference for individuals en masse, that I’m happy. And the third thing I would say is freeing my time up so I can, so I can be that mom, you know, where I could, you know, show up at school and on a random day and play with the girls, you know. So it’s, it’s enabling me to do what I love doing as well. Yeah.

Murray Guest  

Fantastic. Now, I’m going to give you the opportunity to hire a sky writer who’s going to fly above the earth and put a message on the earth, that everyone around the world is going to see they’re going to see your message to head them into this next decade and set them for success. What is your message? Angie? Hmm. Or either one?

Angie Saunders  

Thank you. My message would be around, taking the time to stop. I think I think I think people there’s not enough people out there saying, take the time to stop and recuperate and rejuvenate and allow yourself to see things from a fresh perspective. So for me, the breath is the fastest, easiest way to get me there. So of course that and that’s, you know, I might be biased. But I’ve also tried a lot of modalities. So this is, you know, for me, I would say stop and take the time to look after yourself and get fresh perspective. 

Murray Guest  

Beautiful.

Shane Saunders  

How long is the message?

Angie Saunders  

One sentence.

Shane Saunders  

One sentence? I would have, I would have, I would have there that the quality of your thoughts dictate your happiness. I think that that’s a and I think what goes with that is the even the ability for us to think, I think is is something that we should be happy about. So I think that that would be the message that I would put out there.

Murray Guest  

That is a beautiful, powerful message, Shane, thank you. And Angie, thank you for your message. I mean, that is powerful as well, thank you, thank you, I want to acknowledge you guys for the work that you do for making this insight into breathing so accessible for so many people in a way that is fun, that works that is applicable to so many areas of your life. And for so many people, it doesn’t matter what they do in their life as well. I know that you do a lot with business leaders, with entrepreneurs, with business owners. And I know that you’re helping them achieve their goals in more of that state of flow, and not getting their burnout and so on acknowledge how beautiful it is and powerful it is that you do that, but also for your friendship and what you’ve taught me along the way as well. So thank you.

Angie Saunders  

Thank you. It’s been absolute pleasure.

Murray Guest  

Just to wrap us up where’s the one best place for people to find more about you and the work that breathe me does.

Angie Saunders  

So that’s breatheme.com. And we will most likely invite you over to the group where we do all kinds of free breathing for you.

Murray Guest  

Cool, that sounds fantastic, guys. I look forward to chatting again soon and wishing you the most amazing decade coming up. I’m so excited about following your success and talking more.

Angie Saunders  

Thank you Murray.

Murray Guest  

See you guys.